New Zealand Ghosts & Other Haunts

So who saw the brief article? Apparently a whole bevy of information is being made available to the public today regarding experiences, footage and archived conversations with aliens and unidentified flying objects across the UK and USA. Recently over Vancouver, Brisbane Australia, even the White house in the US of A, several arrays of spheres were seen en masse flying in formation and winking out (becoming invisible) quite suddenly. What are these things? Are they aliens? Are they here among us? I personally find it impossible to comprehend of our species as the only sentient one in all of the galaxies in the universe....what do you think?

One part of the article that struck me as quite interesting was the relationship between Egyptian heiroglyphics and markings noted by military personelle and civilians alike. On two occasions at least in seperate countries and years apart, a civilian in one case and a soldier in the other both drew the SAME SYMBOL (a complex mathematical algorithm denoting relative distances) having no prior experience with complex mathematics or physics, that they had seen on the fuselage of saucer like vehicles on the ground.

So what do ya reckon?

Hmmmm. Yeah there's no way humans are the only 'intelligent' life form in the universe. Mathematically, it doesn't add up with the amount of possible life sustaining planets etc in the universe. Doesn't Steven Hawkings basically say that time travel is possible & therefore intelligent life could easily travel between time & space? So aliens wouldn't necessarily have to live in our own time, they could come from different times or even dimensions. & didn't Einstein believe in the possibility or different dimensions & time travel too? Or did I just make that up? I better go do some research.

The only real ISSUE for time travel enthusiasts (particularly when travelling back in time) is the paradoxical shift phenomena. Wherein an event occurs despite itself altering future events and neutralising or even erasing whatever precursory event or process led to the trip back in the first place. Chicken and egg. If there are many potential dimensions (even represented by different outcomes to every single moment playing out and diverging constantly into an infinite array of possibile existences) then perhaps any given outcome can study any other, with appropriate technology...err....*stalks off for coffee*

I think the two posts above me make good point, but I don't have any thing to add except the files them self (I think)

http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

Duh, ye sure used some clever big words there. dang!!! Yeah, that's basically why I had a massive problem with Lost, I can't get my head around it, especially when one guy goes back in time & gets killed, but in the future, or present time, he's alive & planning to go back in time. ARRGGGHH!!!

I think primarily there is a need for temporal continuity. By that I mean so long as an individual has a beginning, a middle and an ending that doesnt conflict with any aspect that came before wherever it happens to be at present, then it doesnt break any rules.

If however someone from the future alters the past significantly, there is a level of probability that the present they return to will no longer resemble the present they departed.

So...if thats taken for granted, do they cease to exist or do they continue fulfilling the requirements of their own time space stream...warble warble...

I guess we have to set the rules to suit ourselves and base every single case of temporal meddling against our ruleset to discern whether paradox has occured or not.

*THUD*

Oh and PS: Albert Einstein wrote a whole load of stuff about this very issue and then burned it all before his fall from military grace (so to speak)...

It sure is interesting stuff. Aliens and Ufos are a bit of a popular topic. I know from my experience that in some ways the two can cross paths in some ways in terms of similarities when you read about experiences people have.

My grandfather was considered an authority on Ufology and was an investigator starting back in about the 50's until his death in 2005. whenever documentaries about the subject were being done you can be 100% certain he would have been interviewed or at least consulted.

But in all the years we had conversations about the topic his belief in aliens is that they are interdimensional beings and are infact in state of evolution (as he put it) we are destined for that state of evolution. Time travel isn't really the case that the "aliens" are supposedly doing, it's considered that they are in a completely different plane of existence and come into our plane to observe our state of evolution.

I'm still rather skeptical but when i look back at what he was so adamant about and the way people talk about ghosts it's almost similar. Alot of instances of ghost experiences the accounts are described as "they moved as if they were in a different time or place to what was around them". There is a thread about a man and dog walking around waikaraka park and one person mentions an account of the man and dog walking through the crowd of people as if they were not there.

If you put that in contrast to "dimensions" there is a parallel there at least. Perhaps the two are together and it's purely that whatever the "being" is that is showing itself to that person maybe they are showing themselves to people in ways which are more acceptable to the individual wether it be a ghost or an alien.

Well anyway thats a possible way to think about whats going on.

Maybe when we are in our most vulnerable moments in life we experience an intervention from these "beings" to help us as individuals stay on the course we are meant to be and at that specific time we are supposed to see them as a friendly helpful spirit watching over us or an alien species.

I don't know maybe i'm letting skepticism and logic try and explain something that ultimately could very well never be disproven or explained.

That's a very cool explanation Jezza! Haven't thought of it like that before!

Yeah I really appreciate the extra dimensional construct as well. Im a firm believer in transdimensional phenomena and pandimensional travellers. I also believe in life in our dimension outside of this world...

I wonder if any of us will ever "get along" with these myriad others.

*finally admits to a degree of kookiness*

The human race can't even get along with itself, so I very much doubt it'll get along with another species. *shakes head and hears a rattle*